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Oli (C. Iceland) - Sunday 01-07-07 6:47
I just was just thinking about the history of Charlton Athletic FC in the other football league. Some people say that their achievement over the last few years hasnt been that good. So the coach quit and is now coaching a team that is in a relegation scrap against his former team. Now how good is this coach then ??? I think that he is very good but how can I prove that. One has to look at the record that he left with his former club. Lets see now where are such statistics ???

This lead me to thinking, do we have a table of the best clubs in MSWL league one seperatly, and league two and three as well ???

Now thats the idea, how good a manager am I, what is my overall record in the top division ??? My money is on 8th place overall.
Tim (Zaragoza) - Sunday 01-07-07 15:27

I like that idea, especially if it ranks managers like KM higher for taking their team from Div 3 to contending for Div 1 title.

Robin (Ayers Rock) - Sunday 01-07-07 17:54
Oli -Re Charlton , the manager did a great job with them , NO bad seasons. He felt he could do NO more for the team and resigned and LEFT management.

After 6 months out of the game he was persuaded back to take on a Challenge and get West Ham out of trouble (relegation), possibly he will, good luck to him.

AS for your Idea ,sounds good we just need a mug to step forward and do all the research -Oh well done Steve, thanks for sticking your hand up. :-)
Kevin (Kirksville) - Tuesday 01-23-07 17:11
Revisiting Oli's lists, I noticed that there are some apparent gaps. For example, KIN has played two full in Div 1 prior to this year, but only season 15 is counted, not 14 (22 games played shown when it's actually 44). I was playing around with a master chart myself and finished it up last night. These numbers are compiled through the end of season 15 and DO NOT include season 15 AP Cup matches.
DISCLAIMER: This may not be totally accurate, and is taken solely off the MSWL history pages for past season finishes. In the cases of managers who took over teams part-way through a season, I know it's not accurate because I have no way of knowing after what match a manager officially left and a new one moved in. In those cases, I've attributed all stats to the first manager since the 2nd guy usually is penalized/rewarded for the efforts of the first coach and their team management anyway.
For posting purposes since I don't know how to do all those cool tables like Oli did (Rob P. sent me an example once, which I promptly lost so I'm still ignorant) I've listed the Top Ten All-Time in Wins, Winning Percentage, and then all current managers below each.

Kevin (Kirksville) - Tuesday 01-23-07 17:40
Div 1 Matches Only
WINS
1. Al Sellers 211
2. John Blazel 147
3. Alon Atie 133
4. Phil McIntosh 91
5. Jeff Bagby 85
6. Ian Lindsay 79
7. Jay etc, etc Wilkins 78
8. Carl Oakes 63
9. Oli Sigurjonsson 58
10. Dave Dohm 55

WINNING PERCENTAGE
1. Alon Atie 70.33% (133-35-46)
2. Al Sellers 67.72% (211-71-82)
3. John Blazel 67.62% (147-36-61)
4. Tore Salte 66.67% (17-6-7)
5. Douglas Pires 63.64% (37-10-19)
6. Jeff Bagby 63.53% (85-46-39)
7. Tim Given 62.12% (36-10-20)
8. Alex Enriles 61.11% (8-6-4)
9. Brian Link 58.96% (54-17-35)
10. Robin Dewar 56.25% (38-23-27)

CURRENT MANAGERS
Listed by Total Wins (Win % noted)
1. Al Sellers 211 (67.72%)
3. Alon Atie 133 (70.33%)
4. Phil McIntosh 91 (42.01%)
6. Ian Lindsay 79 (46.56%)
7. Jay Wilkins 78 (47.90%)
8. Carl Oakes 63 (45.65%)
9. Oli Sigurjonsson 58 (41.85%)
14. Robin Dewar 38 (56.25%)
17. Tim Given 36 (62.12%)
24. Kevin Martin 22 (55.68%)
27. Kyle McCarthy 17 (30.30%)
31. Rob Boeck 9 (47.73%)
35. Rob Peterson 5 (34.09%)
36. Willy Krosnyak 5 (34.09%)
37. Mark Creasey 5 (26.14%)

Kevin (Kirksville) - Tuesday 01-23-07 17:56
Div 2 Matches Only
WINS
1. Mark Creasey 64
2. Robin Dewar 63
3. Douglas Pires 50
4. Psychic Dick Lindsay 48
5. Tim Given 40
t6. Nic Chilton 39
t6. Peter Marren 39
8. Daniel Sanz 34
t9. Phil McIntosh 33
t9. Iman Widjaja 33

WINNING PERCENTAGE
1. Anders Nisula 90.00% (25-4-1)
2. Kevin Martin 79.55% (14-7-1)
3. Douglas Pires 77.70% (50-15-9)
4. Alon Atie 72.22% (10-6-2)
5. Nic Chilton 70.45% (39-15-12)
6. Ian Lindsay 70.00% (24-8-8)
7. Rob Peterson 68.18% (27-6-11)
8. Christian Criswell 65.91% (23-12-9)
9. Darren Naughton 64.29% (11-14-3)
10. David Smerdel 63.64% (13-2-7)

CURRENT MANAGERS
Listed by Total Wins (Win% noted)
1. Mark Creasey 64 (58.57%)
2. Robin Dewar 63 (60.89%)
5. Tim Given 40 (56.77%)
9. Phil McIntosh 33 (62.12%)
12. Graham McDermott 30 (58.33%)
14. Rob Peterson 27 (68.18%)
19. Ian Lindsay 24 (70.00%)
21. Jay Wilkins 23 (44.05%)
22. Nick Vatmanidis 23 (30.83%)
24. Rob Boeck 21 (59.09%)
25. Oli Sigurjonsson 20 (63.04%)
26. Willy Krosnyak 18 (56.82%)
27. Kyle McCarthy 18 (32.95%)
29. Paul Butterworth 17 (51.14%)
31. Mike Jaffe 17 (45.45%)
32. Clive Palmer 16 (45.45%)
33. Kevin Martin 14 (79.55%)
40. Steve Turner 11 (40.91%)
41. Alon Atie 10 (72.22%)
51. Dave Dowson 4 (29.55%)
52. Andy Ashby 4 (27.94%)

Division 3 stats available, yet omitted due to lack of continued relevance.

Kevin (Kirksville) - Tuesday 01-23-07 18:14
CUP MATCHES ONLY (MSWL & AP)
Top 10 Total Wins
1. Al Sellers 139
2. Alon Atie 112
3. Robin Dewar 89
4. Oli Sigurjonsson 88
5. Phil McIntosh 87
6. Ian Lindsay 86
7. Jay Wilkins 78
8. Carl Oakes 76
9. John Blazel 72
10. Douglas Pires 68

Listed by winning percentage for Current Managers Only
2. Al Sellers 69.79%
4. Alon Atie 68.41%
6. Kevin Martin 66.27%
7. Carl Oakes 62.66%
12. Oli Sigurjonsson 58.03%
13. Robin Dewar 57.58%
14. Ian Lindsay 56.61%
19. Rob Peterson 53.79%
23. Rob Boeck 52.55%
26. Tim Given 51.15%
27. Phil McIntosh 50.91%
33. Jay Wilkins 48.82%
38. Clive Palmer 46.43%
42. Mark Creasey 44.30%
43. Graham McDermott 43.64%
44. Yoav Haberman 42.86%
48. Kyle McCarthy 41.98%
49. Willy Krosnyak 41.58%
51. Steve Turner 41.18%
57. Paul Butterworth 38.75%
63. Dave Dowson 32.14%
66. Andy Ashby 31.25%
68. Mike Jaffe 31.08%
74. Nick Vatmanidis 27.83%

Oli (C. Iceland) - Tuesday 01-23-07 18:22
Excellent work Kevin !!!
Robin (Ayers Rock) - Tuesday 01-23-07 18:40
OUTSTANDING Kevin , with all this time on your hands what is your excuse for recently going NMR _ I can't hear you !!!!!!!
Tim (Zaragoza) - Tuesday 01-23-07 19:32

Just curious; does my Div 2 wins include BOP or just ZAR?

Kevin (Kirksville) - Wednesday 01-24-07 1:53
Both, Tim. All listings are by manager with no regard to number of different teams represented, since that was what Oli's question was about. You were dominating in several percentage categories with BOP when I started tabulating... then along came ZAR and you settled down in a hurry.
Tim (Zaragoza) - Wednesday 01-24-07 19:40

The minus of starting at the bottom again is that it has hampered by coach stats somewhat. On the other hand, seems fair seeing as I left in the first place. :-)

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